--- title: DiscussingTheStakes created: 2026-11-09 22:32 updated: 2026-11-13 14:55 revision: 6 author: Auriea summary: new --- # Interview list The people I want to interview for the Serpentine FAE Fellowship. Interviews stay private so people can speak candidly; what I share is my synthesis. Updated 9 Nov 2026. ## Interview targets ### Mat Dryhurst *Source: Intensive 1. Status: to contact.* Berlin-based artist and researcher who works with Holly Herndon. They co-founded Spawning (2022), a consent layer for AI training data, and showed *The Call* at the Serpentine in 2024. Why talk: who consents to, and benefits from, what AI learns sits close to fair pay and credit in a fabrication network, and he can speak to working with the Serpentine. Angle to confirm. ### Katie Paterson *Source: Keri, mentor meeting 1. Status: Keri checking availability.* Scottish artist whose work treats deep time as material. I relate most to her practice as it aligns with mine in broken transmission (*Earth–Moon–Earth*, where Beethoven's *Moonlight Sonata* came back from the Moon with gaps), and I love her show *Afterlife* (Collective, Edinburgh, June to September 2026): nearly 200 amulets in an installation designed with Zeller & Moye. Why talk: how she works through other people's hands, such as the stonecutter for *Fossil Necklace*, and what she lets be lost along the way. ### K Allado-Mc Dowell *Source: Keri, mentor meeting 1. Status: approach not decided.* Writer, speaker and musician (they/them). Author, with GPT-3, of *Pharmako-AI*; founder of the Artists + Machine Intelligence programme at Google AI; co-editor of *The Atlas of Anomalous AI*. They did a live podcast with Dryhurst in 2022, so the counterpoint is a friendly one. Why talk: entanglement with AI without giving up human judgment as the director, and the spiritual and the technical together, which touches the Catholic thread. ### Terence Broad (UAL Creative Computing Institute) *Source: Intensive 1. Status: possible; name and "Mimetic" detail to confirm.* Network bending: manipulating the inside of generative models directly. Data ethics; "Mimetic" models trained on legally sourced data. Logged in my Intensive 1 notes as "Tom Broad (CCI)"; corrected here to the person who works on network bending at the CCI. Confirm it is the same person, and verify the "Mimetic" detail, before contacting. ### Olia Lialina *Source: me, 28 Sept 2026. Status: I will ask her.* Net art peer from the same 1990s moment. Possible angles: the artwork as what happens while files travel through a network of people (*Summer*, 25 artist-hosted servers) as a precedent for Worldwide; hostile vs. friendly hosts (*Hosted*); her critique of the "piety of the original"; the web as medium, not technology (cf. the polygon as material); "agentic web" and keeping human agency; naming as a political act. Context: Right Click Save interview with Anika Meier, 25 Sept 2026, which I commented on. ### Joanie Lemercier *Source: me, 9 Nov 2026. Status: to contact; verify how he actually works first.* Works out of Brussels. My understanding is that he, too, lets the work travel without him: a working example of institutions commissioning the file rather than the visit. Possible angles: how he gets institutions to pay for and credit the file; remote talks and virtual presence in place of travel; what has and hasn't worked with institutions. See "Travel: commission the file, not the flight" in my working notes. ### Morehshin Allahyari *Source: me, 9 Nov 2026. Status: to contact.* Suggested angles, to confirm: *Material Speculation: ISIS*, 3D-printed reconstructions of artifacts destroyed by ISIS, each with data storage embedded, and her object file for King Uthal released openly for anyone to print (Rhizome, 2016), which bears on who controls the file once it travels; her term "digital colonialism" (coined 2015), which bears on collaboration versus extraction; the 3D-printed sculpture itself as a carrier of data. ### Oliver Laric *Source: project brief, confirmed 9 Nov 2026. Status: to contact.* Austrian artist based in Berlin, working in digital sculpture. His *Liminal Beings* (Kunsthistorisches Museum Vienna, Nov 2025 to Feb 2026) set new 3D-printed works beside the museum's Greek and Roman antiquities, after he scanned pieces in the collection. Since 2012 he has released free scans of museum objects at threedscans.com, claiming no copyright. Why talk: he made the file the thing that travels and lets others make the object, so he can speak to authorship, credit and pay when other hands fabricate, and to how a major museum came to host digital sculpture. ### Ian Cheng *Source: project brief, confirmed 9 Nov 2026. Status: Serpentine contact.* American artist who makes live simulations. *BOB* (Bag of Beliefs) is an AI-based creature whose personality, body and life story evolve across exhibitions, which he calls "art with a nervous system"; it premiered at the Serpentine in 2018 as a Digital Commission. His later *Life After BOB* is an episodic anime series built in Unity and presented live, with Ivaylo Getov credited as technical producer. Why talk: how an artist directs an AI system without handing the work over, how technical collaborators are credited and paid (collaborators, not vendors), and what the Serpentine commission was like from the artist's side. ## Reality check: AI specialists and a theologian To test the research against how the field, and the Church's thinking on AI, actually work. - **Samantha Hinds.** Works with AI and activism, mainly in a watchdog and public policy capacity, at a US tech-watchdog organisation that writes policy papers. Earlier logged as "Nicolo's partner". Possible; details not yet verified. - **A theologian (to be identified).** Theology of AI; a reality check on the research's grounding in *Magnifica Humanitas*. Ideally through a Vatican contact. Waiting on that contact; what to ask of them is still to be decided and told to Serpentine. - **Don Pierluigi Giroli.** My priest, who works in the Vatican. Interim source for the theological side until a Vatican contact is arranged. I will seek this from him myself. ## Advisors (not interviews) Serpentine matches Fellows with advisors for short, targeted conversations. Check what has already been discussed with Serpentine before approaching anyone directly. - **Anna Kipnis.** Possible advisor on the vibe-coding and 3D AI model side of the tools; my friend. Older public record: AI and gameplay programmer at Double Fine (Psychonauts, Brütal Legend), left in 2018; senior interaction designer on Google's Stadia R&D team by 2020. Her current role is not verified. I am texting her (9 Nov 2026). Last I heard she was at Google and had just moved to Copenhagen; nothing found online to confirm either. - **Keri Elmsly.** My mentor for the Fellowship; runs PACT. Listed here at my request, though the Fellowship treats mentors and advisors as separate roles. Mentor already in place. - **Julia Greenway.** Advisor matched with me through the Serpentine. Spoken once; transcript is in Zibaldone. - **Mindy Seu.** Advisor matched with me through the Serpentine. Spoken once; transcript is in Zibaldone. [[style:AurieaWorldwideStyle]]